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Posted: 2:51 PM - Sep 25, 2017
Dancej
She's amazing. Did she donated 1 million

Posted: 3:17 PM - Sep 25, 2017
JayB
Most people don't segregate themselves into groups of people who only speak their language or that are of the same racial background in North America. We understand that your culture is more than the language you speak.



Dancej wrote:Exactly....how can y'all say u are proud but can't speak properly? In your household you should primarily speak your native language. Thats how u will learn the most. Parents should also put their kids through Spanish/native language classes. You should also be able to hang out with your natives at your city occasionally if you truly love your people. If you all do that you would have been fluent

Posted: 4:41 PM - Sep 25, 2017
rico_ysl1
kitkat wrote:
Dancej wrote:I think its embarrassing when u say u are proud of your heritage and you sing all sorts of songs but u can't even speak the language properly
I do not agree with you,

In my experience for Latinos in the States or second generation immigrants it is very common not to speak spanish fluently ( I took spanish in high school) but I am not fluent in spanish nor are my kids and no I am not embarrassed.

why should I be? I live in a country where English is the language

my parents came from Dominican Republic my inlaws are from Puerto Rico

We grew up speaking spanglish .....half in english half in spanish just like Jlo.

we grew up proud of our heritage as Latinos but also proud to be Americans because thats what we are...also we grew up proud to be New Yorkers we were born and raised in BROOKLYN :smile:
exactly the same thing for me...why all the judgement...he parents wanted her to speak english they wanted her to blend in as children of immigrants especially latinos who dont have every door open for them do their visible minority-ness( not a word i know)

i was adopted by caucasian parents.. and i get so much hate sometimes from latinos because i dont speak spanish...that iam nto proud of of where i am from or proud to be latino...its a joke who made these rules about being latino enough..

and to call Jennifer not proud to be latino...is a complete and d utter lie..she has worn the badge of being latino her whole career and even when it wasnt fashionable i also have to point out her spanish is way better then when she first started as she has worked at trying to learn and communicate properly...

end rant..

Posted: 4:59 PM - Sep 25, 2017
Crazy4JenL
Dancej wrote:I think its embarrassing when u say u are proud of your heritage and you sing all sorts of songs but u can't even speak the language properly
I'm embarrassed for how ignorant and simple minded you sound. Jen has ALWAYS worked hard to bring Latinos ahead and has been extremely vocal on how proud she is to be PR. She has done wonders for Latinos in this country and broken down so many barriers. Its embarrassing for you that you choose to be petty when shes giving back so much to her people. Being fluent in Spanish doesn't make you more Latino than anyone else...you can be proud of your heritage without being fluent.

Posted: 7:17 PM - Sep 25, 2017
Dancej
Obviously u all don't fluently speak your native language that's why you're butt hurt and defensive. Im not even talking bout J.Lo alone. At least she makes effort into learning Spanish. If you truly find it important to keep your culture alive language is the first and foremost importance. Now if you're lazy and doesn't feel the need to go out of your way to learn your native language that's your choice. But we can all agree that what bonds us is language. And the brain is thick enough to be fluent in at least two languages.

Posted: 10:36 AM - Sep 26, 2017
Dan#jlofan
Nah, sorry I can't agree with you. I'm Italian Australian, my grandparents moved here post WW2, I dont speak the language perfectly, but I am just as connected to Italian culture as my grandparents, because y family has chosen to keep our culture alive through things like food, religion, customs and values. I was born here in Australia and was educated here, hence obviously my first language is english. Because I don't speak Italian well does that make me less proud of my hertitage? Certainly not. I'm still keeping my culture alive, but in a new form. The language is certainly not the first and foremost thing that bonds me to my heritage. You ave your opinion and I have mine.

Posted: 6:48 PM - Sep 26, 2017
Dancej
Dan#jlofan wrote:Nah, sorry I can't agree with you. I'm Italian Australian, my grandparents moved here post WW2, I dont speak the language perfectly, but I am just as connected to Italian culture as my grandparents, because y family has chosen to keep our culture alive through things like food, religion, customs and values. I was born here in Australia and was educated here, hence obviously my first language is english. Because I don't speak Italian well does that make me less proud of my hertitage? Certainly not. I'm still keeping my culture alive, but in a new form. The language is certainly not the first and foremost thing that bonds me to my heritage. You ave your opinion and I have mine.
It doesn't make you less proud...but it makes you a hypocrite. Its like telling someone oh i love i love not actually putting the work into that relationship. Just food isnt enough to keep a heritage alive. If u dont wanna lesrn your native language you are lazy as fck. Accept that

Posted: 8:33 PM - Sep 26, 2017
Crazy4JenL
Dancej wrote:
Dan#jlofan wrote:Nah, sorry I can't agree with you. I'm Italian Australian, my grandparents moved here post WW2, I dont speak the language perfectly, but I am just as connected to Italian culture as my grandparents, because y family has chosen to keep our culture alive through things like food, religion, customs and values. I was born here in Australia and was educated here, hence obviously my first language is english. Because I don't speak Italian well does that make me less proud of my hertitage? Certainly not. I'm still keeping my culture alive, but in a new form. The language is certainly not the first and foremost thing that bonds me to my heritage. You ave your opinion and I have mine.
It doesn't make you less proud...but it makes you a hypocrite. Its like telling someone oh i love i love not actually putting the work into that relationship. Just food isnt enough to keep a heritage alive. If u dont wanna lesrn your native language you are lazy as fck. Accept that
We get it, you're the master of what classifies people as being proud of their heritage. And your comments also make you sound completely ridiculous. FYI I'm Hispanic and completely fluent in Spanish and English. I also do not believe it makes me more proud of my heritage than someone who is not fluent in their native tongue..I was just lucky enough to have been immersed in my culture from a young age. You should also accept the fact that you're an idiot.

Posted: 9:48 PM - Sep 26, 2017
kitkat
Dancej wrote:
Dan#jlofan wrote:Nah, sorry I can't agree with you. I'm Italian Australian, my grandparents moved here post WW2, I dont speak the language perfectly, but I am just as connected to Italian culture as my grandparents, because y family has chosen to keep our culture alive through things like food, religion, customs and values. I was born here in Australia and was educated here, hence obviously my first language is english. Because I don't speak Italian well does that make me less proud of my hertitage? Certainly not. I'm still keeping my culture alive, but in a new form. The language is certainly not the first and foremost thing that bonds me to my heritage. You ave your opinion and I have mine.
It doesn't make you less proud...but it makes you a hypocrite. Its like telling someone oh i love i love not actually putting the work into that relationship. Just food isnt enough to keep a heritage alive. If u dont wanna lesrn your native language you are lazy as fck. Accept that
When you're an immigrant you learn very quickly that you must learn the language of your new country or stay behind a fact that my parents learned early on that if they didn't learn English they would not have better paying jobs which = a better future =which is the reason they left their country in the first place for OPPORTUNITY my parents focused on us learning English
more then focus on teaching us spanish because English ment getting ahead and being able to complete, its was an economic decision.

so when you come from a poor country looking for opportunities in another country you don't have the luxury to dwell on keeping up completely on the culture you left behind but you must focus on embracing your new country. Which is why other immigrants who come to America from China, India, Japan get ahead faster then Latinos because they learn the language ......(you don't hear press 1 for chinese ) even in schools Latino children are at the bottom and Indian and Chinese students excel.

my 2 best friends growing up were Haitian and Japanese immigrants and when ever I went to their homes ..... their parents would alway remind them "English ,,,,speak English" when they talking to them in front of us ..I assumed it was about manners but no they were also encouraged to speak English when it was just them.

As a proud Latina, I am also an American who lives in America who has to raise children to compete and to fight for every opportunity so forgive me if teaching them spanish right now is not a priority that however doesn't make my children or me any less proud to be Latinos. :smile:

Posted: 10:30 PM - Sep 26, 2017
Dan#jlofan
kitkat wrote:
Dancej wrote:
Dan#jlofan wrote:Nah, sorry I can't agree with you. I'm Italian Australian, my grandparents moved here post WW2, I dont speak the language perfectly, but I am just as connected to Italian culture as my grandparents, because y family has chosen to keep our culture alive through things like food, religion, customs and values. I was born here in Australia and was educated here, hence obviously my first language is english. Because I don't speak Italian well does that make me less proud of my hertitage? Certainly not. I'm still keeping my culture alive, but in a new form. The language is certainly not the first and foremost thing that bonds me to my heritage. You ave your opinion and I have mine.
It doesn't make you less proud...but it makes you a hypocrite. Its like telling someone oh i love i love not actually putting the work into that relationship. Just food isnt enough to keep a heritage alive. If u dont wanna lesrn your native language you are lazy as fck. Accept that
When you're an immigrant you learn very quickly that you must learn the language of your new country or stay behind a fact that my parents learned early on that if they didn't learn English they would not have better paying jobs which = a better future =which is the reason they left their country in the first place for OPPORTUNITY my parents focused on us learning English
more then focus on teaching us spanish because English ment getting ahead and being able to complete, its was an economic decision.

so when you come from a poor country looking for opportunities in another country you don't have the luxury to dwell on keeping up completely on the culture you left behind but you must focus on embracing your new country. Which is why other immigrants who come to America from China, India, Japan get ahead faster then Latinos because they learn the language ......(you don't hear press 1 for chinese ) even in schools Latino children are at the bottom and Indian and Chinese students excel.

my 2 best friends growing up were Haitian and Japanese immigrants and when ever I went to their homes ..... their parents would alway remind them "English ,,,,speak English" when they talking to them in front of us ..I assumed it was about manners but no they were also encouraged to speak English when it was just them.

As a proud Latina, I am also an American who lives in America who has to raise children to compete and to fight for every opportunity so forgive me if teaching them spanish right now is not a priority that however doesn't make my children or me any less proud to be Latinos. :smile:
Lol Lazy as fuck, I'll just let that slide because you don't know me at all. I did study the language when I was younger for about 5 years, I can understand it, read it, but I'm nowhere near fluent and that doesnt matter. I'm sure thats the case with many immigrant children and grand childdren. Immigrants learn to adapt their own culture to the culture of the courntry they are moving into and maintaing traditional language isnt necessarily the first thing on everyones mind.

Posted: 10:30 PM - Sep 26, 2017
Dan#jlofan
kitkat wrote:
Dancej wrote:
Dan#jlofan wrote:Nah, sorry I can't agree with you. I'm Italian Australian, my grandparents moved here post WW2, I dont speak the language perfectly, but I am just as connected to Italian culture as my grandparents, because y family has chosen to keep our culture alive through things like food, religion, customs and values. I was born here in Australia and was educated here, hence obviously my first language is english. Because I don't speak Italian well does that make me less proud of my hertitage? Certainly not. I'm still keeping my culture alive, but in a new form. The language is certainly not the first and foremost thing that bonds me to my heritage. You ave your opinion and I have mine.
It doesn't make you less proud...but it makes you a hypocrite. Its like telling someone oh i love i love not actually putting the work into that relationship. Just food isnt enough to keep a heritage alive. If u dont wanna lesrn your native language you are lazy as fck. Accept that
When you're an immigrant you learn very quickly that you must learn the language of your new country or stay behind a fact that my parents learned early on that if they didn't learn English they would not have better paying jobs which = a better future =which is the reason they left their country in the first place for OPPORTUNITY my parents focused on us learning English
more then focus on teaching us spanish because English ment getting ahead and being able to complete, its was an economic decision.

so when you come from a poor country looking for opportunities in another country you don't have the luxury to dwell on keeping up completely on the culture you left behind but you must focus on embracing your new country. Which is why other immigrants who come to America from China, India, Japan get ahead faster then Latinos because they learn the language ......(you don't hear press 1 for chinese ) even in schools Latino children are at the bottom and Indian and Chinese students excel.

my 2 best friends growing up were Haitian and Japanese immigrants and when ever I went to their homes ..... their parents would alway remind them "English ,,,,speak English" when they talking to them in front of us ..I assumed it was about manners but no they were also encouraged to speak English when it was just them.

As a proud Latina, I am also an American who lives in America who has to raise children to compete and to fight for every opportunity so forgive me if teaching them spanish right now is not a priority that however doesn't make my children or me any less proud to be Latinos. :smile:
Lol Lazy as fuck, I'll just let that slide because you don't know me at all. I did study the language when I was younger for about 5 years, I can understand it, read it, but I'm nowhere near fluent and that doesnt matter. I'm sure thats the case with many immigrant children and grand childdren. Immigrants learn to adapt their own culture to the culture of the courntry they are moving into and maintaing traditional language isnt necessarily the first thing on everyones mind.